Ep. 20 - Identity, Shame, and Healing with Angie Baughman
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Ep. 20 - Identity, Shame, and Healing with Angie Baughman
[00:00:00] JC Schroeder: Hello friends! Today in the podcast, we have a real treat. My friend, Angie Baughman joins me. She has a beautiful testimony of God's transforming work in her life through some tragic events. It was such a joy talking with Angie, and I know you will enjoy it, and we blessed by it as well. That's really all the intro I want to give. And I just want to let Angie tell her own story. So let's dive in. I'm JC Schroeder. And this is Bite Size Seminary.
[00:00:38] Alright, welcome today in the podcast we have Angie Baughman, and just so excited to have her. She's a new friend of mine, and I'm just very thankful for her to be on and welcome Angie.
[00:00:51] Angie Baughman: Thank you so much for having me.
[00:00:53] JC Schroeder: Oh, it's a pleasure. We have met before, uh, I was on Angie's podcast Steady On [00:01:00] podcast. And it was just such a joy. And so we were able to connect after this and Angie was very gracious to come on here. And so, Angie, why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself and then, um, what you do, maybe more about your podcast if you want. And then, um, just wanted to hear more about your story.
[00:01:20] Angie Baughman: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So I live in Southern Illinois and I'm married to Matt. We've been married. 24 years. He is an administrator in higher education. We live in a university town, which is, uh, has just been a wonderful place to live and to raise our children. We have two boys, Alex is 18 and just graduated from high school. So I'm in a whole new season of parenting. And then the baby, who's not a baby is 12. He just finished sixth grade. That's Josh and I am a pastor and a ministry leader and a podcaster and an author. And I wear a lot of hats as a wife and a mom and all things, but you know, who I am at my core [00:02:00] is, uh, I'm a trauma and abuse survivor. And I spent a lot of years, uh, two decades plus, uh, carrying around, uh, just a really heavy load of shame and guilt and trying to earn, uh, earn God's love, even though I knew he loved me, I tried to, uh, do things for him, so I would be acceptable to him. And, um, and so the last, probably 12 years or so has been just a real relearning of what it means to be his child. And I walk with a lot more freedom than I used to imperfectly, but, um, but he has freed me and continues to invite me to experience freedom so that he might pour into my life, the abundance that he offers. Um, he wants me and all of us to be able to receive that. And he's willing to go to great lengths to remove the obstacles that prevent us from receiving that. And so that's been a process I've been in the last few years. Um, so that's more, I guess, of that's part of who I am and also what I do.[00:03:00]
[00:03:00] JC Schroeder: Yeah. That's that's uh, yeah, that's an amazing, amazing ministry that the Lord has. And, um, I'm just so thankful for, um, the Lord working in your life, um, like that. And you, uh, I know I've said thank you for being here, but just thank you for coming on and just talking about, um, the journey that the Lord has placed you on and how he's ministering, uh, just, uh, in your life. So, um.
[00:03:27] Angie Baughman: It is my pleasure.
[00:03:29] JC Schroeder: Yeah. And, um, would you want to just share a little bit about how that in the last few years, how that kind of transition and how the Lord has, um, continued to work in your life. And, you know, I dunno if this is the right term, but get more control of your life, if you will.
[00:03:47] Angie Baughman: Yeah. Yeah. He invites more submission. You know, the submission is like, it's not a nice word in a lot of ways. And yet in the purest form, he invites us to lay down our [00:04:00] desire to take control of things for ourselves and, and surrender more of that control. Not that it's really ours anyway, but we, we try to manufacture as much as we can about our circumstances so that we are in control of our life.
[00:04:12] And about 12 years ago, my family of four was in a head-on car crash. We were driving on, it was father's day, it was a middle of the day. It was sunny Sunday, and we were driving. I was driving our minivan. Um, and my husband was in the backseat with our baby who was seven months old. And then our, our oldest was six years old. He was sitting in the very back with some headphones on watching the movie. I'm like dating myself now, you know, because he was watching the little drop-down video screen with his headphones and no streaming in the cars, then, you know, no cell phones then, uh, for the kiddos. And, um, and, and a man fell asleep at the center line.
[00:04:46] He'd been, uh, at a party drinking all night. We would learn later and hadn't had any sleep. And so. On his way home from that party, uh, midday, he fell asleep and crossed the center line and hit our van head-on and. [00:05:00] It was a very, it was a very terrible accident. My son was airlifted from the scene. We were taken to different hospitals over the next few weeks. We would undergo eight surgeries, Alex and I, my oldest and I, um, we had concussions, multiple broken bones. I entered after I was released from the hospital. I entered, uh, nine months of physical therapy were three times a week for two hours a day, I would be taken to physical therapy and I tried to, uh, you know, regain some sense of control if you will, over my own life.
[00:05:30] When I first came home, I didn't move from wheelchair to bed. I didn't take a shower. I didn't go to the bathroom by myself. I didn't brush my own teeth. Uh, I didn't take care of my children. I didn't take care of my home. I didn't take care of the church that I was serving at the time. I didn't do anything for myself and I didn't do anything for anyone else.
[00:05:51] And what happened internally is that just sort of this like understanding of how much of my identity or how [00:06:00] much of how I was trying to earn God's love and the approval of others came crashing down when all that doing had to stop. And it really forced me, and of course this did not happen right away, but it really forced me to begin to look at if that's not what makes me okay. Then what makes me okay? If I can't do these things, if I can't take care of these people, if I can't fulfill these obligations, live up to these promises, you know, all of those things. Then where does my okayness come from? And so that's where I've found myself broken physically, for sure. But, but invited to look at how I'd already been living broken, uh, emotionally for a long time.
[00:06:53] JC Schroeder: Hmm. So how did the Lord move you from that point of, [00:07:00] um, of recognizing that your identity wasn't fully in him or as much as he wanted. How did, what was the next several, I don't know several steps if you will that he, he took to, I don't know. I guess like, you know, realization is, is a problem, but then what, what subsequent steps was, was helpful for you?
[00:07:23] Angie Baughman: Perfect question to ask JC. Thank you. So I had, I re I had a real turning point. I was, uh, I was sitting on my couch one evening and a group of people had gathered in our house to, to decide how they would best take care of us over the next few days. So we had this kind of like team of people. My husband's brother, my parents, a couple of close family friends, because people had to take us to doctor and physical therapy appointments people had to do like shopping. People had to organize meals. I mean, we had like a lot of help and it was just like ridiculous because it kind of was this like very, um, tangible picture of all the things that [00:08:00] I had been trying to do. Because basically all of the jobs that I had been doing were like, um, now being like farmed out, if you will, to all these different people.
[00:08:09] And we had extra jobs because we had physical limitations and needs, you know, so it wasn't, but, but it felt like everything that you can't do, now all these people are having to pick up all the pieces. And quite honestly, when they would gather like that and bring their calendars and I have to do this, I can cover this and all that stuff.
[00:08:27] It just made me mad. I was very, it was the, it was the time when, kind of all this confusion about how I had found myself here sort of surfaced if you will. And I just felt angry. And so they had moved me in there to sit up and they prompted me up on the couch. And I asked my sister, if she would bring my iPod. And I just put in my earbuds and tried to like close the whole thing out, you know, I just didn't even want to participate. I wasn't needed. I couldn't offer anything. So what, what purpose did I have? Right. And I began to just listen to, oh, there was a couple of country tunes that came on and then a couple of [00:09:00] eighties pop hits that came on. And then the song Born Again by Third Day. Yeah, it came on. I don't know if you're familiar with that song.
[00:09:06] JC Schroeder: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:09:07] Angie Baughman: But Mac Powell began to sing and the words talk about how today I found myself, but it wasn't at all. What I thought it would be. And it feels like I'm born, again, feels like I'm living for the very first time in my life. And as I listened to Mac Powell, sing those words, there's something just like it just like a shower over me. And I felt like the Lord really inviting me, asking me questions and, and showing me like my reality through my eyes. And he began to just open my heart. I didn't hear him audibly, of course, but in my heart the way I know it was the Lord, I just heard him say, you know, you look at all of this and all you see is ashes.
[00:09:46] That's all you see is everything that you've lost. And you just want your life back. It's one of the things I kept saying, I just want my life back. I just want my life back. And he, and he invited me to consider the fact that actually, I don't want to give you your life back. [00:10:00] I don't want to take you back to where you have been. I want to take you to somewhere that has so much more beauty and hope and promise. I want you to see yourself and your life the way I see it. And will you allow me, um, will you allow me the privilege, the opportunity to bless you that way? And it was really humbling and convicting, and gracious and harsh, like all at the same time, you know. Because it just, it like challenged everything that I wanted.
[00:10:32] I just wanted to get better. So I could get back to the way I was, you know, and he was just really calling me to question that, and it was a real turning point for me. And I began to ask him questions. What does that look like? What does that mean? And I began to understand deep in my heart, JC, that I'd been a student of the word for a long time. And I knew his promises and I knew who he said he was, but I wasn't living as if that's who he was in my life. [00:11:00] And how did I begin to close that gap? And so practically, I mean, that's what happens sort of in my heart, but practically then I began to just really listen to him guide me to the place that he would begin to sort of peel back some layers and say, let's look at this false belief you have. Let's look at this false belief you have. Le you know, and he began to help me see the lies that I was believing that kept me from living in the kind of, uh, uh, abundance. I'll use that word again because I really feel like that's what I mean. I know that's what he wants for all of us, but be able to have joy, right? Regardless of our circumstances, to be able to know he's our protector and our guide, to be able to know that shame is, is replaced with a double portion of inheritance, you know, to know those promises. And to be able to say, that's not just true out there, but that is true in my life and this abuse and this guilt that I have carried with me for so long, and I've tried to overcome it doesn't need to be overcome. It needs to [00:12:00] be embraced and owned and given to him, surrendered to him so that he might, and this is the scariest part for all of us I think, he might work his power in the very places that I'd like to just disregard and look over.
[00:12:16] JC Schroeder: Hm. Hm. I think that's just so powerful because, just something that like, you know, our entire world has experienced in the last couple of years with the pandemic and, um, just so many crazy things going on. The thing that maybe this is just something that I'm thinking to myself and just like, I want life to go back to the way it was. And, you know, we have personal things that we go through that can cause us like, like you, like you had, but then just like as a society, I think we feel like that. And yet the just like the power of the Lord of working through those situations, um, to minister and to transform us, not back to what we want, [00:13:00] but to what he wants. Yeah. And we just have such a great God that works in those just terrible, tragic, um, situations.
[00:13:09] Angie Baughman: Yeah. Yes. Yes. I would never have thought in those early days, weeks, even the first couple of years that I would now say 12 years out, I'm so grateful for that experience. I'm so I see it as just this merciful kindness of the Lord. Like just really, I just really do. And I, you know, and I bear the scars physically and emotionally, you know, sometimes we all walk with a limp sometimes after we wrestle with the Lord, do we not like, you know, but, um, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.
[00:13:42] JC Schroeder: Hm, one thing I was thinking about when, when you're just describing your, you know, the Lord working in your life of you knew you knew Scripture, but it's so hard for us to know ourselves. And, [00:14:00] um, I was, I was, this is probably just my nerdy academic speak coming through, but I was like, you know, we use that term exegeting Scripture and we, you know, we train people in seminary or in Bible college or to, to exegete Scripture. But, um, and that is so important, but there's also that need to exegete, um, ourselves and how we come to that Scripture and how we come, um, to that Lord, to our Lord. Yeah. So, um, what is, cause I know you're, you're a great student of the word as well. What scriptures did the Lord use to help you in that, in that journey?
[00:14:41] Angie Baughman: Yes. So Psalm 40:1-3 have become just life verses for lack, I mean, I'll just use that churchy word kind of, if you will, phrase. But they have become such go to over and over again. I mean, there's so many, but those are ones I go over, you know, go back to all the time because [00:15:00] it talks about how he takes us out of a miry pit, how he places our feet on solid ground, how he steadies us as we walk along, because this isn't a one and done, right. Because I falter, I get scared. I look to myself instead of him. And when I do that and I begin to slip, he steadies me. That's why the ministry and the podcast is called Steady On. It comes right from Psalm 40 verse two, but then it also in verse three and I'm imperfectly quoting, but it talks about how many will see the work that the Lord has done in my life.
[00:15:29] And they'll put their trust in him. And that's not like a self glorifying, like. Woo. People will see me. You know, but what can my life be a living example of a rise and shine, right. Can my life be a living example of this is what trusting in him does for me? Um, it keeps me steady or resteadies me, if you will. You know, it takes me out of the miry pit that threatens to hold me down and keep me, uh, keep me stuck. Uh, and it releases me from that. So, [00:16:00] so yeah, those verses, obviously Psalm 40 verses one through three are really important to me. Um, I also love Joshua 1:5 that talks about how I'll never leave you nor forsake you. You know, one of the, one of the, the main lies that the enemy, uh, brings up no matter, no matter what in my life, the, the, the main lie that that will tempt me to, uh, to depend on myself, not on the Lord, if you will, is, um, he tells me over and over again in different forms, you'll never belong anywhere. Don't forget, you'll never belong anywhere in it. And it, it encourages me not to trust people. It encourages me not to be, uh, vulnerable or let my guard down. It encourages me to pull away when something happens, you know? And so, um, and so I, you know, that promise. I'll never leave you nor forsake you.
[00:16:42] You, you can't be alone. Like it is impossible for you to be alone because when and the Lord promises, when he's on our side, you know, victory is ours already. And, um, Jeremiah 31:3 that says I've loved you with an everlasting love. I, I, I cling to that. You know, because I, I struggle to believe that I'm [00:17:00] worthy of God's unconditional love, but he's, but he continues to tell me it doesn't matter what you do. It's not up to you, whether I love you. Like you don't get to decide. Like you can decide if you receive my love, but you don't get to decide if I love you. You know? And so yeah. Some of those are really important to me.
[00:17:17] JC Schroeder: Yeah. I, I love how you said that just to cling onto those verses and to cling on those promises because, you know, at times it is very much of clinging and, um, cause it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like it. And, um, yeah, I love that. I love that. What would you say, um, to like, for helping us to like self-diagnose or to self-exegete ourselves of knowing when our identity has shifted off of Christ and it's been placed onto ourselves or to work or to something [00:18:00] else? What would you say to the person that's maybe trying to process that, to think through that?
[00:18:06] Angie Baughman: Yeah. You know, for me, I think one of the most important things is to examine my anxiety. Like when I feel, you know, what does anxious feel like to me, it took me a long time to realize what anxiety was in me. You know, um, for me anxiety is like, I want to like control things, schedule things, and it's just my personality. We do it differently with our personality. Some of us eat it or shop it or whatever, you know, or, or rage it, or, you know, I mean, we do all kinds of things kind of in our anxiety. But if we will, when we're feeling that way, whatever that way happens to be, will we be brave enough to ask ourself the question what am I afraid of right now? Like, what am I afraid of right now? And how does the promises of God speak to that fear? Because I really believe that anxiety is, uh, anxiety is to our soul, like hunger is for our body. I really believe that. Like hunger [00:19:00] says you need something to like sustain you, right? Like, and so hunger should move us to the fridge for a cheese stick or whatever.
[00:19:06] Like, you know, when you're hungry, you know, you know what to do, you know how to feed it when we're anxious though? Uh, we, we know how to feed it with so many of the wrong things a lot of times. And it's not a lasting satisfying release from that anxiety, but I really believe if we will ask ourselves, what am I afraid of whenever we feel? And maybe anxiety is not the right word for everyone, but whenever we feel that like unsettling, sometimes I call it soul chaos where you just. I think probably most of your listeners would be like, oh yeah, I know what that feels like. It drives me to whatever it drives me to, you know, will we be brave and ask the question, what am I afraid of? Because in that fear, we're tempted to believe a lie and that doesn't align with God's promises.
[00:19:52] JC Schroeder: Hm. Hm. Yeah. I think that's just so, so true. And so many times we don't [00:20:00] recognize like, that hunger, hunger pain to continue the metaphor, um, as being, uh, uh, a spiritual need. We, we think of it as, oh, that's just a sin or that's just a personality defect or that's just who I am as in not just the, the, our souls crying out like, Hey, this is, this is a spiritual condition that needs to be attended to.
[00:20:24] Angie Baughman: And will we ask him? I mean, I, I believe that sin, you know, really sin is the, is the, um, what's the word I'm looking for? It's it's depending on ourselves, not on him. And so we'll we ask him, uh, well, we tell him, you don't feel very dependable to me right now. And why, like, why, you know, why am I trying to do this in my own strength? When you know, as Christians, if we are, and we know the word and we know some of the promises, then we know that he is a powerful God that he says that he can work things for our good and his glory. Like, you know, I know the plans I have for you. Like if we know those things, um, then [00:21:00] why am I not depending on you right now, because he wants to answer those questions.
[00:21:04] Uh, and I think when we ask them out loud or in a journal, or however we do that, when we have time with him in prayer and ask him, this is making me anxious. Because I feel like you're not going to take very good care of me. I, it's amazing how he's like, I know, I know you feel that way. Let me remind you how I am going to take it. You know, I mean, he wants to, uh, steady us if you will. And so I think we'll, we give him the opportunity or will we just push through in our own strength.
[00:21:30] JC Schroeder: Hm. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Um, let me, uh, just shift a little bit from just speaking of our identity specifically, and the other aspect of, of your story that you mentioned of being a, an, a, an abuse survivor. And, um, I just want to say I'm so sorry for, for that. And, um, how can, um, This is just such a, a hard topic. And it's, I don't know why this is a case, but it's a [00:22:00] hard topic for the church and especially of late. And how do you think the church can minister, um, to, to those that have, um, that have suffered in that way? And it like, maybe it's just directly minister or just indirectly of like the church says stupid stuff and, um, how can we be more compassionate and more of the body of Christ to, to those that have suffered abuse in that way?
[00:22:31] Angie Baughman: Thank you. Yeah, I think the church is the church is also human. Right. And so we self-protect as a, as an institution or as an organization, I think we self protect our churches, just like we self protect ourselves. And, um, and so it's easier JC to focus on programs or numbers or buildings, or, you know, it's, it's just, it's easier to focus on that and to praise God when he's blessing those things than [00:23:00] it is to, you know, focus on the individual hurting hearts that sit in our chairs and in our pews and, and to, to figure out like, how do we do, you know, the messy ministry, if you will, sort of the, I don't know, boots to the ground kind of ministry. And I think it starts with, um, it starts with our leaders, uh, being in touch with their own brokenness and their own need for grace. When, when we have, when we have an idea of our own the abundance to which we've received God's grace, I think it's so much easier for us to be able to one offer that, but also be in touch with the places that other people need God's grace and help them seek that out.
[00:23:40] But I think we, we ask questions and we encourage other people to ask questions, you know. Will we, um, when, when we are feeling that way as a people, when we see, you know, sometimes when we're in church meetings, I'm going to get myself in trouble. But I have been in church and in church leadership, all my adult life. And how many times are we in church [00:24:00] meetings that sort of like go awry, you know, right. Something is happening and pride is raising its ugly head and people are not, uh, you know, unified if you will. And we all feel it. We all feel it, but who asks the question what's really going on here? And what's, what's really growing, going on here. Uh, because a lot of times under that either if it's in public in the meeting or individually later, or whatever, you know, there's something going on that points to a deeper need in the people. It's just, it's a harder question to ask. And so I think we just, um, you know, as, as a whole, we need to be people who are more devoted to our individual walk with the Lord than we are about the world's view of success for our local church or congregation or ministry that we're building.
[00:24:49] JC Schroeder: Yeah, Amen. Amen. No, I, I, yeah, I really appreciate that. And I, I think. It really. I mean, I think it just, it can [00:25:00] expose sometimes just that we have, it goes back to that identity issue that we've changed our identity personally, or even the identity or of our church for, it's not Christ, it's, uh, some measure of success and maybe that's just more the American context, but what is, what is our, our success versus, um, just being real and actually being concerned with people at times.
[00:25:28] Angie Baughman: Yeah. Yeah. I think I love the way that God asks questions that he already knows the answers to. And I think, I think the church can, you know what I mean? Like I think the church could be so good at modeling that if we, if we didn't make it about ourselves, but if we really made it about trying to just keep us all uh, ourselves included as leaders, but all, you know, uh, pointed to Jesus. I mean, you know, in the garden, God asks Adam and Eve, why are you hiding? Where have you done? What, what, where, why are you hiding? [00:26:00] What have you done? He doesn't ask that because he doesn't know, but he wants them, he invites them to come to repentance through that.
[00:26:07] Like, you know, this is why I'm hiding. There's this opportunity for restoration. As we answer the question, or he asks Mary at the tomb, why are you crying? He knows why she's crying. Um, but he invites her to look at what's what's going on? What do you want to what do you want to say out loud that then together we can work on and bring that healing to, you know, I mean, in, in my own personal healing, I had to say out loud, something that I had pushed down for 20 years. Like this is what happened to me. And the Lord, and I thought that would be like the thing. Uh, but the Lord then invited me to say, and this is what is still happening to you because of what happened to you. That's why it's important to deal with, right? Sometimes we're like, well, we don't want to dredge all that up or whatever the case may be.
[00:26:54] But the fact is the enemy is still using that as a stronghold in your life, it's still [00:27:00] effecting. At least for me, I should speak for myself. But for me, I was doing that productivity got to prove myself, but my identity in my production and in my doing rather than trusting that it is in the Lord every day because of what had happened to me, uh, when I was so much younger and, and that's going on in our churches. Uh, maybe not with every single person, but I'm going to tell you with most people in our churches, um, the Lord is wanting to invite them into a deeper level of healing.
[00:27:30] JC Schroeder: Hmm. And I think you're just a wonderful testimony of that the Lord does bring healing and that the, the, the suffering is not all that there is, but there is hope and that there is healing that the Lord, um, is powerful enough, um, to bring. Um, Yeah. Um, Angie, uh, do you have any like helpful resources, um, [00:28:00] for people who are thinking through, um, their identity thinking through, , Uh, healing from abuse or, or, um, what resources are out there because when, when someone's going through this or a church or church leaders are trying to minister in these types of situations, they're either like I have no idea what to use or, you know, you just grabbed the first thing and you have no idea if it's good or not. So do you have any helpful resources that might be beneficial to us.
[00:28:30] Angie Baughman: I, I I'll just give some practical things that I use that I would just encourage, I think, um, for those of us who are maybe, uh, hearing the Lord's invitation to explore some things, uh, to experience some deeper healing. I'm just going to encourage you to start putting together a toolbox. Um, this is what I've done through the years that I have found so incredibly helpful. Uh, I have some Scriptures are rattled off of you when you asked me about them earlier. I have lots more, but are there Scriptures in stories that really speak [00:29:00] to your heart about a deep need? Right? A lot of times people have favorite Scriptures or Bible characters that they don't even, they don't even realize why they resonate with them so much, but sit with it just a little bit and see why. You why you go back to that one or why that one just means so much to you?
[00:29:16] I also, um, I have a playlist on my phone for songs that there are a lot of times in my time with the Lord, I will listen to worship music, praise music. There are certain songs that really just speak truth over me. And sometimes a song can penetrate my heart in a way nothing else can. And so I have this sort of like this playlist in my toolbox, if you will. And then I also, um, when I feel some anxiety rising, or I know I'm tempted to believe the lie or I'm, you know, taking back the reins, if you will. I have some breathing exercises that I do. That slow down the internal conversation. What do we do that slows down the internal conversation of, you know, you've got to control this, or you need to answer this right now. Stress just rises in us when we think we need an answer right away. And so I do a thing where I [00:30:00] breathe in. I am and then breathe out, loved, and I just walk away from my, it happens for me, it happens to be my desk, whatever, you know, It might be your kids, whatever you need to walk away from for just a minute, you can breathe in and out four times and it will sort of reset your brain. So that's just put together a toolbox. Those are just some things I use, but, um, but you know, it, it can, it can be yours over time.
[00:30:19] You will learn that those are things you can reach for when, um, when you're experiencing something difficult or when you're triggered with something. But, um, for for church resources. That's a very good question. We should write something JC we should write it and make it available. Um, I do two presentations that, um, and I do this for, you know, for individuals. One is called Talk to Your Triggers, which takes you through steps on when you feel, uh, yeah. When you're, especially when you're going through a process and you feel like you're backsliding a little bit, if you will, or you're not having success. Uh, I do a presentation on that and I do one on called, [00:31:00] Focus on the Fundamentals. If you're wanting a deeper relationship with Christ. I do have free downloads on the steps and the resources that I'd be happy to pass along to your listeners. If that would be a good place to send them.
[00:31:11] JC Schroeder: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Um, Yeah, those are, those are helpful practical, practical steps to take and, um, some great resources as well. Um, Angie is there, as we wrap up here, is there any, um, any other resources are not resources, uh, any other, things you want to plug? Uh, tell us a little bit about your podcast, Steady On podcast.
[00:31:33] Angie Baughman: I'd love to thank you. So the podcast is a weekly guest based a interview podcast. JC's, I don't know when this episode will drop, but JC and I will be together in July. I can't remember. I think it's July 13th, but the, the new episodes drop on Wednesdays and Steady On is a ministry that really has two parts. The first part is, uh, Take It In. Uh, a Bible study method called step-by-step, where we focus on one word in one verse of Scripture every week and, [00:32:00] uh, in order to find life application. And so that's the ticket in, and then the Live It Out is through the podcast interviews where, um, people, guests come on to really talk about how to, how we can all experience the personal manifestation of God's promises and the painful places of our life. And so I just bring people on to share that, um, share testimony about what God's done in their life, um, resources that they have. And, uh, and so, yeah, so that's the ministry and you can find all of that stuff. I'll give you a, uh, link, uh, JC if you want.
[00:32:32] And we can put it in the show notes, but it's, uh, it's, uh, I will give it to you right now. It is, uh, https://linktr.ee/livesteadyon.
[00:32:46] JC Schroeder: Awesome. Awesome. Uh,
[00:32:48] Angie Baughman: That's also where those resources are for the Focus on the Fundamentals and the all that good stuff is right there. So
[00:32:53] JC Schroeder: Good, perfect. Perfect. So you can check that out. Um, we'll put the link in the show notes. Um, if you want to check that out [00:33:00] as well, and, um, Angie, thank you so much for coming on. Um, and putting up with me and, uh, it's just been such a blessing to talk to you and to hear your story and your thoughts, and, uh, uh, it's been a real encouragement to me and I'm sure it'll be, um, a wonderful encouragement to others as well. So thank you so much.
[00:33:21] Angie Baughman: Thank you so much for having me.
[00:33:24] JC Schroeder: My thanks again to Angie for joining me. You can find all the links to her podcast, the Steady On podcast, as well as her resources in the show notes. Go check out her resources, go check out our podcast. It's wonderful. And I would also encourage you to share this episode as well with others who may be blessed by it. Thanks so much for listening.